Same-Sex Marriage

Well banderson, that depends on where you are coming from. I base my thoughts on the Bible and that would cause me to say that homosexuality is a choice. I know that some 'experts' say that I am wrong but if a female where in a male body that would mean God made a mistake and from my viewpoint, that isn't possible. I can also say I don't hate any homosexuals (and I do know some). I do not agree with their lifestyle and I may hate that choice because I feel it is sin, that does not mean I hate them. I hate murder (also considered sin) but I don't hate the murderer.
Because I feel strongly about this I do not endorse homosexuals having the same rights as heterosexuals. I would not vote for that nor would I vote for any political candidate who believes homosexuals deserve those rights.
As far as your statement that homosexuals choices do not negatively effect society, I again disagree. I view it as sin and I feel sin does have a negative effect on society.
I know others have other opinions and that is their choice. My viewpoint may not change anyone else's opinion but I know that nothing can change my opinion either.

The Constitution does not say all men are created equal, the Declaration of Independence makes that statement. The Declaration outlines the reasons for separation from British rule, stating that mankind has certain inalienable rights under the Laws of Nature AND “Nature’s God.” If there is a particular “law” of nature such as the ability of certain amphibians to naturally change gender based on reproductive needs to sustain the species, these laws can be further limited by the Laws of God. Man is under both laws- Nature’s, AND God’s. Sex change is not natural in humans since one needs to undergo hormonal treatment as well as (in certain cases depending on the person’s desires) surgery; and neither will enable an individual to reproduce in the manner of the sex s/he changed to. Human sex change is not reproductive-based but is emotionally based; it is not natural, it is an artificial alteration performed because some people want it, and man is able to do it. In the animal kingdom, it is natural process based not on emotional sexual attraction but on environmental needs for the species. Likewise, the Natural tendency and sexual drive of humans is limited by God’s Law which states that such actions are to only be done within the confines of marriage, and marriage is to be between a man and a woman. Among other rights, the Declaration states people have the right to pursuit of happiness, but based on the opening sentence of the declaration, this right is also limited within the construct of the Laws of nature AND God. The Declaration continues to outline various ways in which the King had violated these principles, and thereby gives the colonies a right to declare themselves absolved of any ties to Britain.

However, the Constitution is selective as to whom these rights apply, and to what specific rights one has. It also states that we are to “secure our blessings of liberty,” which I might add, is something God grants. “We the People” have the Constitutional right to secure these blessings in accordance with what God established in order to receive these blessings. Simply put, the Constitution gives the People the right to determine a moral standard in accordance with what God has stated. The blessings of this liberty will be in direct accordance with the moral standard we establish. Reject God, and our nation will not receive God’s blessing. You stated the Constitution “promises us freedom of religion to practice what we please,” this is not true. The Constitution does not promise the freedom to “practice what we please” simply because certain religious practices such as human sacrifice go against the principles of God. If properly taken in context with the understanding of God the Founding Fathers had, our freedoms involve only those God grants us, not an absolute freedom to practice or do whatever we want. If God is not your god, that is something you are going to have to deal with; you live in a country where God is God, and Jesus Christ is Lord, and my Bible is a foundational textbook of our nation (that is the way it was supposed to be, but unfortunately the ACLU and special interests are destroying the moral fabric and foundations of our country).

Homosexuality was widely practiced in most cultures except among the Jewish and Christian faiths. Look at the Greeks, Romans, Babylonians, Assyrians, Pagan cultures, and so on. These were all considered heathen and wicked nations for these (among other) practices because God declared these actions an abomination and unnatural. It is a spiritual issue because it is rebellion against God, your desire to do your own thing rather than follow God’s instructions.

Are “homosexual activities” among animals an emotional issue, or a result of a reproductive drive which has gone awry? Aren’t humans different than animals in that we have the ability to control our impulses and urges? Abstinence is practiced by man as a moral choice; morality is another advantage mankind has over animals. We are supposed to be a Christian nation; and I will do as much as I can to uphold that moral standard regardless of anyone’s opinion.

To equate homosexuality with a racism issue is absurd; I know three formerly gay individuals who will say they gradually realized an attraction for the same sex and gave in to that desire. They all later realized their error and admit it is a choice. I had a relative who, as he admitted before he died, had made a "poor choice" of becoming gay. It is a very effective scapegoat to claim one is "born gay," just as much as it is to say one was "born an alcoholic," a claim I could easily make since heavy drinking ran deep in my family and is something I overcame. A person is born into a particular race. You will need much more than a few opinions and controversial "medical statements" to support the idea that homosexuality is not a choice.

I respect and support the right of a person to have and state an opinion, but I do not need to respect that opinion. If you wish to freely and without criticism or hindrance do your own thing, wait until Christ removes His chosen from the earth. Once they are removed, there will be no more obstruction to any of this and for a short time, men will be free to do whatever they desire without moral impediment, to pretend to be “animals without inhibition.” A sad condition indeed. Until then, expect heavy criticism from those who accept, and know, that Jesus Christ is Lord and we live under an absolute moral standard.

I object to the assumption that because I feel the homosexual lifestyle is disordered I am afraid of homosexuals. What is there to be afraid of? The physical reaction that comes when I am forced to see homosexual acts on TV is not fear. Frankly if America would keep ALL sexual activity behind closed doors we would all be better off.

Entertaining Ramblings

Maybe Some people are just screwed up in the brain
and need an injection of commonsense.

Sibling Sex (ya but their in Love....)
Underage rape (Also in Love...)
Man on Man Sex (I guess you have to love him to put it in his fecal matter....)
Woman on Woman (get out the toys)
Why not children marry mom or dad
Why can't we legally have concubines?
Why can't we marry multiple people?
If my dogs have puppies together can they get the state to help pay for the vet bill? I guess if my dogs were homo they wouldn't have puppies.

If I am racist for saying these things
Are you not then also racist for calling me a homophobe?
and signaling me out as an enemy to your rights based on me following my beleifs.

My bottom line is that you have the God given free will to do as you wish. Murder, rape, drugs, slaves, Satanic worship, all these things happen. God lets them through free will. However, The system (universe) is set up with checks and balances. Meaning there are consequences for All Actions big and small. Even if they are not immediate they still are there. (Global warming result of greed, death of future family lines by murder, people not getting a job because to manny others applied, poor health from poor air caused by other peoples lack of care)

A good test to find the consequence is to take the action to the extreme.

Lets take homosexuality to its extreme.. If everyone were homo HUMAN KIND WOULD DIE. who knows maybe that is what happened to the dinosaurs.... No Kids unless being trans-sexual is then permitted with open marriages also being permitted. Then what is the point of marraige Hey anyone can come, Back to the 70's anything goes type stuff. But that is not love that is FUN FUN FUN . Lets be honest. That alone tells you its wrong.
No matter what bible or God you are into or not into.

Where do todays homo couples get their kids. From hetero couples. Then they call themselves Mommy and Mommy or Daddy and Daddy. And when their kids ask where babbies come from? They say from Hetero sexual couples. The real family builders.

If you want to be homo be homo you can do what ever you want honestly I can't stop you. But do not ask me to pay for something I do not endorse. And do not call me racist for teaching my children common sense. I do not endorse any aspect of homosexuality and that is MY RIGHT.

Look here is the deal you Homos need us Heterals for the human race to continue on. We Heterals do Not need you Homos. I beleive the reason for taxes is to promote the building, maintenance (care)and protection of society. Heterals are neccessary for society building. Homos are Not. Sure the people who may be homo can help maintain society however the fact that they are homo is of no importance. Any number of people living together in any manner can rear children or care for others who need care. Although the quality of that care may be in question. Where as in a heterosexual relationship there is by nature the possibility of true society building.

How about this for a Challenge. If homos are supposed to be equal and all.

Start your own Homo society with no heterosexuality at all. You could call it Homoville. I beleive it would last for about 1 generation. (homosexuality alone can not build societys, and by the prior example they are actually descructive to society, therefore homos should not be entitled to the rights heterosexuals enjoy because heterosexuality is of more social value than homosexuality.)

Think about it you would have to have a completely open sexual society to reproduce. You would end up with no true family structure at all. (we would be animals)

Mom who is my daddy. uh... not your other mommy but one of the daddys of your friend down the street. And your friend was from your other mommy but she gave up rights to him so the daddies could have a child also.

If I were to build a herd I surely would be the fool to expect it to come from 2 animals of the same sex...
Homo relationships are not society builders. That is why Hetero couples should enjoy extra rights.

I do not have a general Hatred for Homo People. However,
I do not like the endorsement of homo behavior. Good old regular common sense says what homos are doing is wrong.

Unfortunatly, to be totally honest it is only a matter of time till you get what ever rights you ask for.
In a democratic society you do not need to be right to get the bone you only need to be the loudest dog barking. That is why I am greatfull Heaven is not a Democracy.

Thank you for enduring my ramblings. You will either be a fan or hate my guts. But, all in all you should be greatfull with my honesty and straight forwardness or at the very very least somewhat entertained by it.

You took a huge leap banderson. Because you think homosexuality is common place does not make it moral or "normal". (the huge number of drug addicts comes to mind) In the animal kingdom homosexuality does not show up until space, food i.e. resources are at such a shortage the population HAS to be controlled.It is a blatant sign there is something amiss in the animals society. Historically many societies have tried to make homosexuality just another choice. Ancient Rome comes to mind. It doesn't work! For society to be healthy we need strong families. By its nature homosexuality can not naturally produce families. The tax laws are there not to give heterosexual couples more rights they are there to HELP them raise families because society needs families. It wasn't meant as a direct slam to you and yours. It is about the continuation of SOCIETY!!See religion does not have to come into it at all. There are other reasons than religion that homosexuality is not a positive force. I get it, we are living in an age when all sorts of life choices have to be tolerated. That does not make them healthy,happy,or the BEST choice. I do not see why Society owes you the same opportunities when you are not helping Society survive. Yes, you are here and you are to be respected and allowed to make your choices, but no we do not have to like them or help you do things we know to be WRONG. I am tired of being told homosexuality is not a choice. You could chose to live chastely!! Sex is not required to sustain life. Your life is what it is because of the choices you made. With every decision we make we say NO to some opportunities.

Well, God did show his face, none of us were born yet. He did say homosexuality was wrong, among many other forms of sexual immorality; including premarital sex between men and women which is called fornication.

I have said plenty in this post, simply put I have just as much right to speak out against homosexuality and encourage our lawmakers to deny equal rights to those who practice this stuff. I could care less if a homosexual "couple" do not get medical benefits, they have no more right to these benefits than I would if my best friend needed to be hospitalized.

As long as the Christian, Jewish, and other faiths have a say in what we want to allow in our society, then hallelujah and praise God! "We the People" have the right to determine and set the laws of our country regardless of our "religion" or beliefs, I am just grateful that, so far, there are enough people of faith (and even some without) that realize the lifestyle being crammed down our throats through the homosexual agenda is just plain wrong.

If you claim homosexuality isn't being forced into our culture, here are some links:
Radical Homosexual Agenda

Homosexual Manifesto

Gay Manifesto in Schools

"Woe unto them who call evil, good, and good, evil" - Isaiah 5:20

Ok, let me tell you about this "invisible man in the clouds" that sounds silly and funny to you. Actually, He has never appeared to me, either. Nor have I audibly heard His voice. Since I was born, I was raised Lutheran, went to bible camp, bible school, and all that stuff, so I am very familiar with what sectarian religion and self-centered religious piety and man's religious traditions are all about - religion, by the way and as you know if you read the Bible as you claim, makes the power of God of no effect and is useless for salvation.

As I grew, I bacame more "educated" and learning the sciences, began to question my faith and realized the Lutheran religion was just one of many perspectives based on man's interpretation of the scripture. I started blending science and religion and investigated other forms of "mystic Christianity" such as the Free Masons, Rosicrucians, Scientologists, and Dianetics. Eventually I believed the best combination was the occult, through which me and my inner circle came to "realize" that Christ himself was a mystic and must have practiced various
forms of mystical arts as taught through the knowledge and skills passed down from Solomon, according to the Rosicrucian, Freemason, Zoroastrianism, and other teachings. Somewhere in there must have been "the truth."

Along the way, I could use different scriptures to justify and rationalize my behaviors such as drinking, marijuana use, swearing, and occult practices, to name a few. I became quite adept at Ruins, and got to the point where I could control things - cats, dogs, put out candles, move curtains and so forth by using the Ouija board - no trickery, no wires or strings. I would summon my "personal medium," who went by the name of Zachary and provided me a detailed history of his life prior to his death in the civil war. All through the Ouija of which I was the "local expert" at the time. I began using learning tarroh and ghost writing shortly after.

During this time I experienced, and not suprisingly, a great deal of "supernatural phenomena" and had constant fear of being alone in my house because things would move - dresser drawers would shake, clothes would fall off hangers, doors would open and shut, and I always had the feeling of being watched.

All during this time I would still claim God is god, Jesus is Lord, but the Bible was just a bunch of stories with just some truth scattered hear and there along with a little history. Since, I was convinced, Jesus must have practiced some of these "arts," I was going to use the spiritual world for good - promote healing, provide comfort, and so on so I began reading about spell casting and researching incantations and minor "white magic" means of manipulation. I found one could use incantations to "control" spiritual agents to perform basic tasks such as scaring the ******ens out of the kid that was bullying you at school, and generating nightmares in people you wanted to "teach a lesson." I stopped learning about spellcasting and demon summoning when one of my aquaintences succeeded and was driven to torment and eventually killed himself to escape it.

So if you try to tell me the spiritual is not real and this is all some kind of imaginary "fairy tale," I will say you are most definitely wrong- your lack of experience in these matters makes you absolutely unqualified to make that statement. (Of course, you have the right to say it but that does not mean you are correct.) These are some of the experiences I went through. Track down some one who practices - well, to be safer, track down some one who used to practice - the occult, and you will hear similar testimonies. Less adviseable, get involved in it yourself if you want indirect proof of the spiritual. Satan has no issues with making his presence known, his purpose is to draw men away from God by any means possible. God works by faith, and faith alone. I'll get to that shortly.

This all came to a crossing point after my third year in college (a Lutheran college, by the way). During this time I was starting to realize perhaps things were not going so will, the "occult" was not the right path. I
could not afford college, all my funds were being wasted on partying and drinking. I never went to classes and failed most of them for attendance, but was able to generate some income by tutoring chemistry, physics, and
mathematics. I also began studying the history of Christianity and starting realizing that, instead of going though my mediums, perhaps I should start asking Christ, so I did. Within a week, there was a knock at my door and there stood someone who said they were "sent" to answer my questions. Obviously not a Christian, this person asked if I really wanted answers and proof as to what the occult can do. I replied I was looking for answers, and he said he would summon his medium through the Ouija and its appearance would demonstrate the real power of the occult. I only needed to put away my Bible, admit that Christ did not have all the answers and was in fact hiding some of them, and invite this "new knowledge" into my life. I declined, he left, and my life completely fell apart.

I fell into deep depression. My car broke down, and so I lost the only major source of income I had, selling vacuum cleaners. School was out, so there was no more tutoring. I got a summer job, and lost that to the unions who kicked all us "temporary workers" off the site. I seriously contemplated suicide and finally called out to God that if He had the answers, to show me the way, and I would listen. I even sent a letter to a church and asked them to pray for me. And you know what? Nothing happened. I heard no voice, I got no comfort, I experienced no "warm fuzzies" or anything.

Thoughts of suicide faded. I picked up a "new car' for $100, packed everything up, and moved back with my parents where I got a job. I still drank, partied, and so on. I burned my Ouija and denounced the occult and started reading my Bible, realizing what I had been practicing was a different kind of abomination. I got married (this is an altogether different story) and started having kids. Where I was living, Mormons were predominant and started knocking, so I studied there religion and spent a few years learning and discussing the issues of Mormonism. Jehovah Witnesses were coming around also, so I also researched them. Rejected them both, another story. Rejected Catholicism, rejected the United Methodists, rejected all forms of "organized, traditional religion." After eight years, God still gave me no answers. Family responsibilites curbed my drinking (I was still chewing 3 cans of Skoal and smoking 3 packs every week). I was still seeking answers, and began investigating different militia groups and what they offered - another story.

I revoked my SS#, quit paying taxes, and mailed out all the proclamations, asseverations, affidavits, and all this other junk to remove myself from the control of the wicked governments of the world. hook, line, and sinker - I thought I had the answers and thought I was doing the "right thing." Went through this for 3 years, and then the IRS started knocking. Legal troubles were brewing. I asked God for help and "cast my burdens upon the Lord." Guess what? Still no answer. The IRS was still there. I was having problems with my "religious objector" photoless driver's license - not all police officers, banks, and so on seem to think they are legit.

Motives? I was trying to do the "right thing," seeking answers, but all that was coming were problems. Depression, strange medical problems, miscarriages, and anxiety attacks came and went with my wife and I all
during this time, and I was asking God, "Why?" No answers. As the "high preist" of my house (the husband's
responsibility according to scripture) I tried the things the Bible stated - laying on hands, casting out demons, proclaiming the Blood of Jesus for healing. Nothing happened.

Does the Holy Spirit work through people, even those who are not "saved"? Perhaps you don't believe it, but I do. I had not attended church for over 13 years. I got married in one as a formality; I went to Easter and Christmas services as an acknowledgement and "duty." I went to a few here and there in my search. There was
another I was looking at, and dismissed as not for me. One day I had decided to check it out anyway on my way to work, but then decided not to. As I drove past I was filled with a sense forboding - hard to explain. So, I turned around and went to that evening's service. During that service, I discovered I was not saved, and asked Christ into my life is a decision of surrender and realization of my condition, not as something I was going to "try."

Guess what? The only "revelation" I recieved was that I was going to hell, but am no longer. No voices, no "word from God," no answers from heaven. Just a complete sense of inner peace and joy (joy is not an emotion). The IRS was still there, I was still getting cramps and pains throughout my body. I misunderstood great portions of the scriptures. I also learned I was missing things. I learned religion was not the answer. I learned about the Holy Spirit, and only after I accepted him also- then I started getting answers, but it took work. I had to understand there was no form of Christianity in existance which was untainted by man's opinion and interpretation. I had to learn there was no Bible which was 100% accurate- you have to go back to the original
languages of Hebrew, Chaldean, Assyrian, and Greek and learn about the culture at the time to understand certain details in the scriptures. I also learned some people need a deeper understanding, while others are completely satisfied with the limited knowledge they have. I learned that believing was not enough. Neither was laying on of hands, or prayer. Fasting is the real key when combined with everything else. salvation is an individual experinece in which each person needs to find out what their requirements are.

Only after fasting AND prayer did my life begin turning around. After a 5-year struggle to quite tobacco, I fasted. My addiction was erased. As was my routine, I went to bed with a nicotine buzz, and that was the first thing I did as soon as I was awake. That night I did the same, but when I woke up there was no desire for tobacco. I looked at the can, and it "disgusted" me. I went throught the day, through the week, and have gone over 8 years without an urge, without any withdrawl symptoms I had experienced before. It was the same with the
alcohol. All those addictions and urges were wiped out.

Another time my mother had a cancerous growth on her hand, she was scheduled to go in the next day to have another biopsy done. I laid hands on her, and commanded healing, the tumor dried up that night and there was no
trace - here doctor said he had never seen anything like it. I learned about generational curses, consequences, and demonic activity which remains in ones life sometimes, and fasted and prayed to cast that stuff off. I saw immediate changes. The IRS granted me favor, finances started coming in to pay off the debts. My health was restored, my wifes health was restored, and these "strange ailments" and other things have never surfaced since.

In Jesus' name I have cast out demons. I have seen healings and restorations. Am I perfect? No. Do I have sin in my life? Yes, there are and always will be things that God points out I need to work on. My redemption started with the "big" items - I had to deal with rebellion first, by realizing God was the final authority, and He expresses His will through the scriptures. I had to deal with my ego, arrogance, and pride. I had to deal with my mouth and bad language. I had to deal with pornography. I had to take personal accountability for all of my actions. i still spout my mouth off from time to time and say things I shouldn't (I no longer cuss however, and those words no longer "pop" into my head).

I have absolute faith in this "invisible God" simply becasue I do have first-hand experinece in both sides- wickedness and destruction through the occult, and life and restoration through Christ. Satan works through evidence, God works through Christ, through faith. As I found out and once thought, He does not live in the clouds but walks among us, and resides in us. Though I am very skeptical, there are a few Christ has appeared to in person; but the only genuine accounts I really believe are from those who have exceeded and demonstrated there faith through their works, and Christ has commanded or revealed things substantiated by scripture becasue God will never do or say anything against His word or commandments.

Is the Bible literal? Yes. Is it figurative? Yes. Is it difficult to understand? Sometimes. Yes. No. It is written simple enough that everyone can understand the basic message of salvation, but detailed enough that the deeper things of God are revealed through it, but only through faith and the help of the Holy Spirit.

Maybe this is all just a "nice story" to you or maybe you say it is all nonsense, but rest assured my faith is not blind and is not based on some pastor's preaching. Why didn't God work in your life, why didn't He "answer your prayers" during your "holy roller days?" I don't know. Perhaps you were just "tryng Chiristianity." Perhaps you were praying without believing. Maybe you didn't let go of your pride, your sins... maybe you were holding unforgiveness in your heart. I do know these things held me back and there
are many other things which hinder prayers - God does not hear all prayer; He said so Himself.

You will not be able to sway me from my faith because I can guarantee I have heard and looked into just about every accusation against Christianity that there is and found them without merit, plus I do have personal experiences. If you want to get into a discussion about the scriptures, then I will be happy to oblige - everything I stated in this and every other post I placed can be verified and substantiated. Where would you like to start? If you do not, and don't wish to understand why I believe what I do and why Jesus Christ is a reality, then fine, you can go your way. Understand this- I have seen a lot, heard a lot, and know people who have done just about everything, for Christ and against Christ so you can't offend me, but you can disgust me. I don't hate you, but I do hate your sins; I hate my sins also. I won't call you names, I won't ridicule you. We both have fundemental reasons for believing what we do, let's find out.

Can we have a discussion? Feel free to ask whatever you want to ask. If through this blog, then that is fine. If through email, mine is gwilenius@yahoo.com and you are free to copy anything I write into this blog, as long as you don't lift anything out of context. And no, I am not gay. Long ago I had the opportunity, and turned it down.

banderson - I applaud you for standing up for your rights and your choices. However, I hope you realize your statements will change few, if any, in Hutchinson. It has taken me a long time to realize this myself. For you, it's speaking/writing about issues, hoping to educate people so that they can make a well informed choice. Unfortunately, reason often falls on deaf ears in Hutchinson. I grew up there- I know how close minded many people can be. Despite progressive, logical, "up to date with the times" thinking - many people will not see your point. Often, your opinions just fuel the fire. My opinions have fueled the fire many times on this newspaper board. I even wrote a few pieces in high school for this paper - which were censured, nonetheless. It's not popular to talk about things that might shake the town up. It's easy to feel passionate about something, but it's very hard to educate and persude someone who doesn't want to be educated. I know this, yet I find myself having so much to write on this issue, knowing that my thoughts will be brushed off by many.

People, myself included, will always find arguments to support their own positions. Many use the Bible to support their own positions - this argument being one of the most popular. Many will use passages from the Bible - word for word, interpreted literally as it's written - to judge and condemn Homosexuality. However, do the same people interpret the Bible literally, in regards to women and their rights? Are women meant to simply obey their husbands? Are women property of their family until married, in which they become property of their husbands? Do we still follow ancient rules, customs, etc, in regards to how we practive our religion? Are these people still observing the Sabbath in the same manner it was observed two thousand or more years ago? There are so many arguments to be made from the Bible, but if you are going take some passages from the Bible literally, you should take all of them literally. No cherry picking should be allowed. I find it hard to believe that God didn't intend for his word to change and grow with us as we change and grow as a society.

I feel bad that the original post has turned into a deep, religious argument. I am thankful that I work for a company that allows me to insure and provide for my "Domestic Partner." My domestic partner just happens to be a man, and I am a woman, but the benefits would be the same no matter our sexual orientation. My domestic partner is a full time student, and works full time at a job that does not offer health benefits. Without my companies progressive policy on benefits, we could be in a very tough spot, financially. I fully support same-sex benefits. A person is still a person, regardless of sexual orientation, I don't understand why anyone would see them as anything different. I believe all people should be within their rights to provide and protect themselves, their significant other, and any property/financial/emotional aspects that involve the two of them. I hope that my generation will see the day when all people are treated equally, regardless of race, gender, country of orgin, sexual orientation, religious affiliation or lack thereof...

I know, and I agree that no specific God is the intended religion for our country. Many people do not care to know this fact. Just as people interpret the Bible as they see fit for their agenda, many people do the same with our Constitution. People can find many implied rights within our Constitution, if they want to. It would be doing our founding fathers a great disservice if we took their words literally as written. Do we not think they were smart enough to allow our founding documents to change, and mold themselves to fit our country years after they were written? Many do not educate themselves on our founding fathers, or refuse to admit some of the facts. Many of them were scholars of several religlions. People hear what they want to hear, see what they want to see. It's easier to ignore the truth, or ideas you do not like, than educate yourself and then make the decision best for yourself.

banderson, you say those laws are unjust. What makes them unjust? Should we change the laws because 1.7% of the population thinks they are unjust (the appx number of people that are GLBT in the US is 4.3 million people according to the web site http://www.adherents.com/adh_dem.html). Well, maybe we should change the laws that affect the illegal immigrants in the US too since there are appx 36.6 million of them (according to the web site http://www.theamericanresistance.com
/ref/illegal_alien_numbers.html). There are over 2 million people in prison right now so maybe we should change the laws that affect that group of US citizens as well. Where should we stop? You want the laws changed to justify your lifestyle and your choices. If you have that right, so does everyone else. Then we'll have a society where nothing is illegal and you can do whatever you want. Maybe instead of changing our laws you need to change your address. Don't make the country adhere to what you think is right. Go someplace where they already agree with you. Since when does the minority rule? You complain about Christians (217.8 million in the US) telling people what to think yet the small percentage of GLBT's in this country are trying to tell the majority what to think. Last time I checked we kinda went by the theory that the majority rules. Happy New Year.

I am proud to say 1 more state has chosen to recognize Same-Sex Civil Unions, granting homosexuals the same rights as heterosexual couples. 4 down 46 to go!