Hutchinson Leader - Same-Sex Marriage - Comments

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Doug Hanneman — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 07:58:29 -0600

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BIBLE CLAIMS EARTH IS

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:10:00 -0600

BIBLE CLAIMS EARTH IS FLAT!

Passages that refer to the "Four Corners Of The Earth," can be found in:
Acts 10:11, Revelation 7:1, Revelation 20:8

Passages that refer to the "Ends Of The Earth" can be found in:
Deuteronomy 28:49, Deuteronomy 33:17, 1 Samuel 2:10, Job 28:24, Job 37:3, Psalm 2:8, Psalm 22:27, Psalm 46:9, Psalm 48:10, Psalm 59:13, Psalm 61:2, Psalm 65:5, Psalm 67:7, Psalm 72:8, Psalm 98:3, Psalm 135:7, Proverbs 17:24, Proverbs 30:4, Isaiah 5:26, Isaiah 24:16, Isaiah 40:28, Isaiah 41:5, Isaiah 41:9, Isaiah 42:10, Isaiah 43:6, Isaiah 45:22, Isaiah 48:20, Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 52:10, Isaiah 62:11, Jeremiah 6:22, Jeremiah 10:13, Jeremiah 16:19, Jeremiah 25:31, Jeremiah 25:32, Jeremiah 31:8, Jeremiah 50:41, Jeremiah 51:16, Daniel 4:11, Micah 5:4, Mark 13:27, Luke 11:31, Acts 1:8, Acts 13:47

Passages that refer to the "Ends Of The World" can be found in:
Psalm 19:4, Romans 10:18

Passages that refer to the "Foundations of the Earth" can be found in:
Deuteronomy 32:22, Samuel 2:8, Samuel 22:16, Psalm 18:15, Psalm 82:5, Psalm 102:25, Psalm 104:5, Proverbs 3:19, Proverbs 8:29, Isaiah 24:18, Isaiah 48:13, Isaiah 51:13, Isaiah 51:16, Jeremiah 31:37, Amos 9:6, Micah 6:2, Zechariah 12:1, Hebrews 1:10

Passages that refer to the "Earth's pillars" can be found in:
Job 9:6 "He shakes the Earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble."
Psalm 75:3 "When the Earth and all its people quake, it is I who hold its pillars firm."

Passages that refer to the "Face of the Earth," defined as the most prominent surface of an object can be found in:
Genesis 1:29, Genesis 6:7, Genesis 7:4, Genesis 7:23, Genesis 11:4, Genesis 11:9, Exodus 32:12, Exodus 33:16, Numbers 12:3, Deuteronomy 7:6, Deuteronomy 14:2, Samuel 20:15, Samuel 14:7, Kings 13:34, Job 37:12, Psalm 104:30, Isaiah 23:17, Jeremiah 25:26, Jeremiah 28:16, Ezekiel 38:20, Amos 9:8, Zephaniah 1:2, Zephaniah 1:3, Luke 21:35

Other passages that state the Earth is flat include:
Job 11:9 "Their measure is longer than the Earth and wider than the sea."
Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the Earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?"
Job 38:13 "That it might take the Earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?"
Daniel 4:10-11 "I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the center of the Earth. Its height was enormous. The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the Earth."

The Bible also teaches us that our flat Earth is a stationary object that the rest of the universe rotates around. Passages that refer this statement include:
Psalm 93:1 "The world also is established, that it cannot be moved."
Psalm 96:10 "Say among the nations, the lord reigns. The Earth is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."
Psalm 104:5 The Lord "laid the foundations of the Earth, that it should not be removed for ever."
I Chronicles 16:30 "The world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."
Ecclesiastes 1:5 "The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."

And finally in the sixth century, a highly regarded Christian monk named Cosmas wrote a book entitled Topographia Christiana in which he described the structure of the physical world. Cosmas based his conclusions on the teachings of the Bible and held that the Earth is flat and surrounded by four seas. The reason for Cosmas' belief in a flat Earth was the statement in Revelation 1:7 that, when Christ returns, "Every eye shall see him." Cosmas logically concluded that if the Earth were round instead of flat, people on the other side would not be able to see Christ's second coming.

In fact the bible has more passages that pertain to the Earth being flat than it does pertaining to the issue of homosexuality (about thirty more).

Ok So I am taking EVERYTHING the bible says and go by it, because it's the word of GOD, the one the only, all knowing. You'd think I was crazy if I said the earth was flat...also this goes back to the fact you pick and choose what you want to believe. Common knowledge and space exploration has proven beyond a doubt the earth is round and it revolves around the sun....but thats far from what the bible says....OMG did god make a mistake?

Now that science has proven that wrong, it begs the question should we take everything in the bible literally? NO, I don't think so, If God and his henchmen can't get that right then who's to say other verses/quotes/phrases are?

So where does this leave us?

First off, by allowing gay

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:08:20 -0600

First off, by allowing gay marriage in this country, it is not forcing you to do anything, you are not going to be force to marry someone of the same sex. So what is your problem with it? You people against it have failed over and over again to provide a reason other then the bible or "God's way"....

What is your reason? How am would gay marriage effect you and your life?

If you read closely I said

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:14:47 -0600

If you read closely I said "IF"... IF your basing your argument on God or the Bible, was I referring to you directly, no I was not. In fact I applaud you for not mentioning the bible or god in your comment and using as the backbone of your defense as many do.

Hmmm... I made absolutely no

satsume — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:09:29 -0600

Hmmm...

I made absolutely no mention of the Bible or of God. Interesting that you would choose to blast my comment with assumption and attitude. It lends one to ask the question if this is any longer a valid discussion or have we come to a cessation of logic, overrun with emotional mudslinging?

Thank You JB2007, I couldn't

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:48:12 -0600

Thank You JB2007, I couldn't say it any better!

Start fighting for it, I

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:46:30 -0600

Start fighting for it, I have nothing against it!

Everyone here who keeps

jb2007 — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:39:47 -0600

Everyone here who keeps basing their decisions and opinions of discrimination against homosexuals on what has been planted into their brain as the "Holiest of Constitutions", the Bible, is undermining the entire concept of this entire argument.

This is not an argument about whether or not homosexuality is alright or not because "God" whether or not he even exists said it, but it is an argument really about our government and rights. The first Amendment to our Constitution makes clear that religion hasn't a guiding hand in our governing decisions,and every time one of you roars out incompetence in the name of God against the practice of homosexuality, you are defeating the one beacon of reason and enlightenment that the founding fathers thought SO important that it was the very first amendment to our nation's charter.

Step back from your religious convictions first, and examine the issue from a purely secular, governing point of view and ask yourself if discriminating against a group of people because they are different than the mass population is fair, rather than cite texts that don't and shouldn't have a relevance to the matter at hand.

That is, with great pleasure, I present to you to read, rather than speculate, the 1st and 14th amendments to the Constitution:

1: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

14: "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

packer fans are people too

gloppy — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:36:58 -0600

packer fans are people too

OK, so if you can marry

Miller62 — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:23:22 -0600

OK, so if you can marry someone of your own sex why can't I have three wives?

non-lawyers and non-doctors,

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:10:25 -0600

non-lawyers and non-doctors, I don't see how they fit into this argument...

Your Home Owners association...you picked the house you knew what you were getting into so deal with it!

What would I say to changing the rules for 5-10 percent of the population....well let's see we've done it many times in the past, and no I don't hate the consequences of the things we have changed. Change is good!

You talk about scientific

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 12:04:20 -0600

You talk about scientific evidence, there may not be solid scientific evidence that homosexuality is natural, but on the flip side, if your basing your argument against same sex marriage on the sole basis of the bible and god, there is no scientific evidence that he exist or that the bibles right.

So NEXT!

I am awe shock at how

banderson — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:34:05 -0600

I am awe shock at how childish the response above is.

is it wrong to discriminate

Aura_Lee — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:00:40 -0600

is it wrong to discriminate against packer fans? does a packer fan really choose to be a packer fan or is it hereditary? maybe some deep dark secret in their pasts caused them to become packer fans without really knowing why they like the packers. i mean, green and yellow??!?!??!! really ugly colors. i don't know why anyone would choose to be a packer fan. either way, i discriminate against packer fans. when i see a packer fan at target (most packer fans should shop at wal mart where they belong) i yell things at them and run really fast. one time, i was walking down mainstreet and actually walked across the road to use the other sidewalk so i wouldn't have to walk by a packer fan. we had a packer fan right here in hutch. the reason i pay the high taxes to live in hutchinson was to get away from the riff raff packer fans. i think we need to beef up security on the wisconSIN-minnesota border. (yes i capitalized the sin in wisconSIN for a reason). it's horrible, with all these packer fans walking around corrupting our viking youth into becoming a packer fan simply because of the guy i refer to as "number 4" (i refuse to use his name.) is some sort of false god in the state of wisconsin. the bible says we shouldn't worship false gods but yet i see all these green and yellow jackets in our state and the evil people that practice packerism. if our forefathers could see all of the evil green and yellow "number 4" worshiping heathens, i think they would have made rules to prevent this from happening. what is our city council going to do about this?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

There's a problem with your

satsume — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 09:22:50 -0600

There's a problem with your argument almcitiesgirl. All of the examples that are listed as whom our country has outlawed discrimination against are undoubtably genetic traits. There are no contradicting studies, no moral arguments, no activists, and no question that people who are born women, black, jewish, or mentally handicapped, could not control their fate...nor could behavior or their life experience or any choice that they should make, change who they are.
Now many openly gay people would argue that they were "born that way", that it's "genetic and uncontrollable" etc. etc. But the fact remains that there are no absolutely sound and trusted, documented studies that completely close the case on that discussion. None. Zero.
Now based on your statements, anyone has ground to stand on in a fight for rights in this country based on behavior alone and a person who believes that they are genetically disposed to sex with children, genetically programmed to harm others, genetically programmed for multiple wives, animals (since we want to equate ourselves and our sexual drive to the animal kingdom anyhow...)anything goes, as long as I slap a "Genetic" label on it.
I mean no disrespect, only to open your eyes to the weakness of this argument.

Same-Sex Marriage

banderson — Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:06:50 -0600

Why shouldn't same-sex couple have the same 515 rights and considerations that a heterosexual couple may have?