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COMMENTARY: Ban on same-sex marriage is mean-spirited
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From Michael Crary

Hutchinson

Very few topics today are more controversial than same-sex marriage. Indeed, it is a subject that generally polarizes people — either people are strongly against same-sex marriage or people see nothing wrong with couples of the same sex having the same marital privileges extended to heterosexual people. For this reason, same-sex marriage is a hot topic throughout the country.



Furthermore, this polarization tends to run along political party lines. For instance, Republicans are generally more conservative in their views of marriage, often referring to the Bible as a guide when supporting their position against allowing people of the same gender to marry. On the other hand, Democrats are a little more liberal in their view of same-sex marriage, allowing for the fact that perhaps in today’s society, permitting people of the same sex to marry should be accepted. Accordingly, neither view can be definitively proven to be right or wrong. In fact, there are just as many reasons why same-sex marriage should be allowed as to why it shouldn’t. Indeed, perhaps this is what makes same-sex marriages so controversial.



With this in mind, while those politicians whose views tend to be more conservative are to be respected for their views and admired for their tenacity, their crusade against same-sex marriage seems to be rather disingenuous at the very least.



For instance, many conservative politicians use the Bible as a source to argue their position against same-sex marriage, supporting their view that marriage should only be between a man and a woman. Why stop there? Why not use the Bible to support other points of view, like what is the responsibility of the wealthiest individuals toward the less fortunate? For example, in the book of Luke it states, “Sell that which you have, and give gifts to the needy.“ In Acts, “in everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He Himself said.” Likewise, in Proverbs it states, “He who is kind to the poor lends to the Lord, and He will reward him for what he has done.” And the examples of this type of verse go on and on.



So it begs the question, why aren’t the politicians who stand in opposition of same-sex marriage, holding the Bible in their right hands, also standing, with the same Bible, preaching the need for the wealthy to do more for those who struggle, with the same passion they use when preaching against same-sex marriage? Truly, instead of campaigning against any bill that might require the wealthiest to pay a bit more in taxes, it would seem that those politicians who rely on the Bible for guidance in making decisions would champion a bill that requires more of those who can most afford to share from their wealth with those who can least afford.

Along with using Bible verses as support for an amendment defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman, many politicians argue that if same-sex couples are allowed to marry, the family unit will be further weakened. For this reason, it would seem that these same politicians would also be against gambling. After all, according to an article from Helpguide.org., “In America alone, problem gambling affects more than 15 million people. More than 3 million of these are considered severe problem gamblers, otherwise known as gambling addicts or pathological gamblers. Problem gambling can strain your relationships, interfere with responsibilities at home and work, and lead to financial catastrophe. It may even lead you to do things you never thought possible, like stealing money to gamble or taking money meant for your children.” With this in mind, why are the same politicians who campaign against same-sex marriage because of what it might do to the family unit, not campaigning against gambling because of what it does do to the family unit? In fact, why are many of these same politicians even promoting an expansion of gambling if it is so detrimental to the family unit?

Likewise, speaking of damaging the family, is there anyone who doesn’t feel that alcohol abuse has harmful effects on the family unit? Indeed, according to an article from the Journal, “Alcoholism is also known as a family disease ... is responsible for more family problems than any other single cause.” In addition, from Learn-About-Alcoholism.com, “The effects of alcoholism on families can cause more damage and pain than any other internal or external influence on the family unit. The impact of the drinker’s abuse or addiction is usually manifested differently with each member of the family and has long-term implications.” And yet, there are those in political office, undoubtedly on both sides of the aisle, who would argue that liquor should be allowed to be sold in stores on Sundays. Although, whether or not stores selling liquor on Sunday would have any effect of the severity of alcoholism as it affects the family, it does seem hypocritical to support the expansion of the sale of alcohol and to be so set against couples of the same sex being allowed to marry when the effects of alcohol on the family vastly outweigh the effects of same-sex marriage.



In short, allowing same-sex couples to marry is controversial at the very least; but to prohibit even 1 percent or 2 percent of the nation’s population to enjoy the same freedom and rights as heterosexual people — which conservatively amounts to 3 million to 6 million people — goes beyond the disingenuous actions of a few politicians or the actions of a group of well-intended individuals. Truly, for elected officials — and for that matter, anyone — to use the Bible and, in many instances, speculative data, to support preexisting prejudices or biases, to discriminate against a large segment of the population, while ignoring greater social problems, is unfair, inconsistent and simply mean-spirited.
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« star-ann wrote on Monday, Jun 27 at 08:16 PM »
How do we explain away this heritage of our country?

A Church I Never Knew About!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn15E











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« mj wrote on Thursday, Jun 23 at 05:17 AM »
Ray - the "fix" will be resolved sooner or later by those with advanced education and experience and additional inside info -right and/or left

( I hope). At this point, we all know a state budget has to move forward, it makes no sense to shut-down a state with the same conclusion eventually forthcoming. Under either party=ies budget, MN begins with a 1-2B deficit next budget cycle along with the projected Federal retraction to address the Fed deficit. Everything is on the table -tax reform, defence, entitlements, bond ratings ....

The economy will retract, with or without the decisionmakers or this conversation. Govt is a reactive animal. Corporations sense no obligations to their country. It is as they say: the race to the bottom.

On your business example, many have sold or hold values way beyond their value

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« glen sladek wrote on Thursday, Jun 23 at 05:06 AM »
"Stupid"? MJ look at your other 4 fingers:) I recall once within the last year where a simple typoo(scump), landed me 30 days in the "LEADER BRIG" for supposedly "abusive name calling! :) :)
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« Raymond Norton wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 06:20 PM »
mj, fisc said only one thing when referencing his home budget-don't spend more than you bring in. In your many words he is the stupid one and it is somehow necessary we spend ourselves into oblivion because you don't know how to fix the problem. Am I missing anything?

That reminds me of a time I was buying a business from a man that was asking three times more than it was worth. To me it was about value, to him it was about an affordable payment.

I think I'll just stay stupid

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« Big_Daddy wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 06:02 PM »
I coudn't have said it better myself fisc.This economy is one big S#!? sandwich and we all have to take a bite!
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« mj wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 06:01 PM »
Fisc, Fisc , Fisc - the 1.8B delayed payment under TPAW and the stimulus money ( Bush then Obama) are the root cause of our current problem resulting from a market and housing failure. Now the global country failures like Greece .... algorithyms, Congress insider trading, market corruptions and IMO NAFTA are setting the stage.

While I sure don't agree with Obama deficit and bailouts, I know of no other alternative based on experts from both sides -including McCain. I do not know the fix.

I do know, our state and federal economies are not comparable to your home budget, nor is your school building replacement schedule similar to your single family home.

In regards to buying your car, gas, insurance .... look to those 20K pages of tax code for your write offs -it's in there

Please call me Stu from now on instead of MJ, you'll feel better acting oppressive. Insecurity is lonely -huh

I trust you are a self-made success story who has not scammed your education, tax obligations and chinced your way through life
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« fiscallyconservative wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 05:47 PM »
Ahah, it is all making sense now. There must be a new form of budgeting where you can indefinitely spend more than you make? I missed that in my economics classes. I wondered why so many of the college Liberals were taking the Money Printing 401 class instead. Even Forrest knew that you needed to earn money before you could spend it.

You've been complaining that the governor and our legislators just need to "get it done" but you don't seem to understand that one group doesn't want to increase taxes and the other doesn't want to cut expenses. The governor feels that it is okay to tap into "Grandma's" savings without getting her permission.

Is this how you operate your personal budget? Since you are so good at labeling people as "stupid", maybe you can share some of your brilliance with us so we can learn all about successful economics?

By the way, I'd like to buy a new car and I think you should buy it for me since you are smarter and I can't afford it. Oh, you should pay for my gas too. And I should be entitled to a free license and registration. Don't worry, I don't need your permission. Your taxes will simply be increased and you don't have a choice. Thank you for being so smart!
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« mj wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 05:08 PM »
Fisc -unless your family involves Medicaid, prisons, welfare, infrastructure, schools ....... I think you can throw in the towel on the "like my home budget" comparison -seriously !

Now that deserves a Forest Gump reply!
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« Raymond Norton wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 02:27 PM »
You know mj, I think your right. I will do that first thing in the morning.

You're welcome in advance.

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« fiscallyconservative wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 08:16 AM »
Budgets 101...

To balance a budget, one must spend less than one makes. To keep the taxpayer happy, one should not ask them for more money unless it is REALLY needed. It wouldn't do Ray any good to call the governor as he seems to be itching to tax someone before the proposed cuts can be tested. In my family, we try the cuts first BEFORE we seek more money. I guess maybe this is advanced budgeting instead? :(
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« mj wrote on Wednesday, Jun 22 at 06:29 AM »
Ray -call the Governor and Majority Leaders and explain to them how to balance the State budget impasse. Thanks in advance .
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« Raymond Norton wrote on Tuesday, Jun 21 at 08:33 AM »
Glad to provide some quality reading material for you Glen. I am not privy to any offers being made on the property. You will need to ask someone that is sitting in on the sessions.
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« darwinball wrote on Tuesday, Jun 21 at 06:53 AM »
Of course religion was very important to many of the people who settled the Americas (also to the people who were here first). Religious freedom is extremely important in our Constitution and in our culture, but this still doesn't mean that our nation was founded on religious principles. Our Constitution is a secular, religion-free document that sets up a secular system of government. Keeping religion and government separated has been essential to the survival of both. Look at our western European cousins who all have official state religions: they are all majority atheist countries now, while the US with its secular government is the most religious among the industrialized nations.

What laws of our country are based on religious principles? Only three of the "top ten commandments" are in our legal codes: no killing, no stealing, no perjury. But these things were already known to be wrong before the Bible was written and are also considered wrong under secular morality.

Religious freedom is a two-way street: the government can't restrict your religious practice, but you can't use the government to impose your religious views on others. If the only objection to gay marriage is a religious one, there is no valid reason to have the government restrict it.
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« glen sladek wrote on Tuesday, Jun 21 at 05:02 AM »
Debate'n for OUR GOOD LORD! Gotta love it when we cant lose(sorta like that dead "riverhorse")! Keep up the great work Ray! Ray, have ya heard what the city TAXPAYERS are offer'in for that old church property?
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« anderson.rick wrote on Monday, Jun 20 at 07:47 PM »
The “Unalienable Rights” that Jefferson was referring to are the rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Or in my case, the Pursuit of Happy Hour. These rights are what allow us to say what we want to without fearing for our lives. Unlike the many Communist or Socialist Countries like China or Iran. The Free Market and Capitalistic approach that our country has allows us to pursue a better lifestyle if we so choose. This doesn’t mean that the Federal Government should do it for us.

Of the many quotes that Thomas Jefferson was famous for, my favorite is the following;

“If it doesn’t break my leg nor pick my pocket, what business is it of mine?”

The Constitution allows for the individual States to determine what they want to allow or disallow. That gives us the freedom to choose which state has the core morality that we prefer and can move there if we so choose.

As far as “Same Sex Marriage” goes I find it odd, but not offensive. If my Tax Burden were to be effected by it I might think otherwise. Jefferson had it right by letting the individual states determine their own laws.

Rick Anderson

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« star-ann wrote on Monday, Jun 20 at 07:30 PM »
I don't know how anyone can deny that this country was founded on religion. Many people came to America to search for religious freedom. Their hope was to escape the religious persecution they were facing in their countries. They wanted a chance to worship freely and have an opportunity to choose which religion they wanted to take part in. Religion was a dominant part of early American politics and greatly infuenced the laws of this country.

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« mj wrote on Monday, Jun 20 at 04:41 PM »
Fisc/Ray - I will confess my sins in private to my Savior and Judge. I don't need your help in this arena, but thank-you. Even dummies like me get that "one" vote and I will have my ID w/picture
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« fiscallyconservative wrote on Monday, Jun 20 at 04:20 PM »
MJ, why was that necessary? Maybe next time you can add some adult-like discussion instead of calling people names? This is a good debate/discussion and for you to jump in and imply that someone is stupid because of their viewpoint seems very childish.
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« Raymond Norton wrote on Monday, Jun 20 at 02:56 PM »
Thank you mj. I have always enjoyed your quick wit.

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« mj wrote on Monday, Jun 20 at 02:44 PM »
Ray - you remind me of Forest Gump.____ is as _______ does -never wrong
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« glen_sladek wrote on Thursday, Jun 30 at 07:32 PM »
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